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[00:00:00] Intro: You are listening to Parliament Matters, a Hansard Society production, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. Learn more at hansardsociety.org.uk/pm.

[00:00:17] Ruth Fox: Welcome to Parliament Matters, the podcast about the institution at the heart of our democracy, Parliament itself. I'm Ruth Fox.

[00:00:24] Mark D'Arcy: And I'm Mark D'Arcy, and welcome to the second in our special series of mini pods devoted entirely to the Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill, the bill that aims to legalise assisted dying.

[00:00:35] Ruth Fox: This week, MPs on the committee examining the bill have heard from nearly 50 witnesses across three jam packed days of intensive evidence taking.

[00:00:44] Mark D'Arcy: They're now taking a week off. in order to digest what they've been hearing. But in the meantime, Ruth, we've got a bit of an exclusive for the listeners.

[00:00:51] Ruth Fox: Yes, so we've been talking to Dame Elizabeth Gardiner. Until recently, the government's chief drafter, she's the person who's actually drafted the bill that MPs are now looking at. And, well, drafters, Mark, they rarely speak in public about their work, and certainly not on podcasts. So we were really pleased she agreed to come on the pod.

[00:01:12] Mark D'Arcy: Well, we're delighted to welcome to the pod now Dame Elizabeth Gardiner, who was the drafter of the bill on assisted dying. And Elizabeth, first of all, can you tell us how you got that role? Because it was a pro bono thing that you did. How were you approached? What was the arrangement that was made, if you like?

[00:01:29] Elizabeth Gardiner: So I retired from the civil service at the beginning of last year. And I hadn't planned to do any drafting, and then somebody who I used to work with contacted me to see whether either I would be interested in producing this bill or if I knew anybody who might be. As you may know, the drafting resources are in very short supply across the world, so people are always looking out for people who might undertake this sort of work.

[00:01:53] And I thought about it and decided that I would be quite interested in doing it, as you say, on a pro bono basis.

[00:02:00] Mark D'Arcy: And Parliamentary Counsel, the specialist lawyers who, who draft laws, are, as you say, in pretty short supply. But you did have quite a range of attempts to create a law on this subject from all sorts of jurisdictions across the globe.