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[00:00:00] Intro: You are listening to Parliament Matters a Hansard Society production supported by the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust. Learn more at hansardsociety.org.uk/pm.

[00:00:17] Ruth Fox: Welcome to Parliament Matters, the podcast about the institution at the heart of our democracy Parliament itself. I'm Ruth Fox.

[00:00:24] Mark D'Arcy: And I'm Mark D'Arcy. Coming up this week...

[00:00:27] Ruth Fox: A huge cut to overseas aid. How will it reverberate through the House of Commons?

[00:00:32] Mark D'Arcy: As an MP is convicted of assault and sentenced to 10 weeks in jail, will his voters be able to throw him out of Parliament?

[00:00:39] Ruth Fox: And is what sounds like a bland, technical piece of legislation in reality, a Trojan horse for rejoining the European single market?

[00:00:54] Mark D'Arcy: But first, Ruth, that big decision that the Government has just announced this week about cutting the overseas aid budget in order to transfer the money to defence and boost defence spending to meet the requirements of President Trump, and indeed to face the security threat from Russia, is something that is going to cause all kinds of ripples in Parliament.

[00:01:14] First of all, it is a mid-air change in Labour policy. This is a very substantial u-turn. It's not very long since the Foreign Secretary, David Lammy was criticising America's decision to gut its overseas aid budget. It was a manifesto promise of the Labour Party that they would maintain overseas aid spending and that's now been dropped.

[00:01:34] And indeed, they were heavily critical of the Conservatives when they reduced overseas aid, when Boris Johnson was Prime Minister. So it's an enormous reversal in policy, and I suppose you can argue circumstances have changed "bigly" since the Donald entered the White House, and it's clear that this is the line of least political resistance.

[00:01:56] Yeah. But is it still for all that a wise decision. To reduce aid that is propping up a lot of countries in, for example, sub-Saharan Africa, where refugees come from, who then cross the Mediterranean, get into Europe, and then attempt to cross the Channel into Britain. So is it a wise, long-term decision or one that might accelerate the kind of people movement that's at the root of a lot of political discontent in Europe already.

[00:02:21] Ruth Fox: Yeah. And of course that was the criticism that David Lammy was making just a few weeks ago about the decisions that the Americans have made about cuts to the U-S-A-I-D department, USAid. And it was a focus of a question that, um, Diane Abbott asked at Prime Minister's questions this week. I think it also raises, whether it's a wise question from a foreign policy perspective, whether it's a wise question from a humanitarian perspective, people have different views on that, and there are other better podcasts than us that can tackle that question.

[00:02:51] But I think from our perspective, in terms of what are the implications for Parliament, I mean, again, we've talked about this on the podcast before, Governments legislating to put targets, policy targets on the statute book, and then effectively finding circumstances change and they can't meet those targets. And that's what we've got here.

[00:03:08] So it's now, well just under a decade since the Government legislated to put 0.7% of aid spending into the statute book, and now for the second time a government is coming forward and saying, well, we're not going to meet that target. And it raises a question, similar to what we heard in 2020-21, when after Covid, Boris Johnson's government said that they weren't gonna be able to meet the target and were going to have to cut back to 0.5% in aid spending. If Parliament has agreed to this target, it has imposed through legislation a duty on the Government to meet that target, then is it free for the Government to just effectively throw that target out of the window and just declare that they're not going to meet it?

[00:03:51] Mark D'Arcy: Apparently, yes.

[00:03:52] Ruth Fox: Yeah. And back in 2021, that was the, the question that was asked by the late Lord Judge.

[00:03:56] Now, of course, sadly, sadly, died, uh, last year, but he asked the question, it's a sovereignty of Parliament question: can the Government expunge or suspend by ministerial statement, which is effectively what we had this week with the Prime Minister at the despatch box, a legal obligation or a duty that Parliament has imposed on the Government.